Dynomotion

Group: DynoMotion Message: 8081 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
so when the ZERO is set why does this magically change when I start the program?
I go to my zero and hit all the 3 axis zero buttons. push start and it quickly changes the green position and rapids to a crashing condition.

there seems to be no rhyme or reason either. it just picks some new cord and runs with that.

if I know where the machine is from the zero and type those cord in the "set" tabs this paces the zero right?

I do nothing with machinecords (red numbers) just work cords (green cords)

I have about 5 years of machining parts on my mills and the kmotion seems to be doing its own thing instead of just running the numbers given.

matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8082 From: carlcnc Date: 8/9/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Matt
are you using latest version of kmotion?

I have done approx 20 machines with Kflop
there have been 3 of them that had random comm issues,software lockups and the "lost zero" issue
I found that once I ran a wire from the machine frame to the building ground all those issues were resolved.

I have no idea WHY, because there are many other machines running perfectly without doing this.

ON one machine we had tried different PCs,isolated PC power supplies
usb isolators etc.
even replaced the vfd AND 3phase spindle
but the only thing that solved all the issues was a ground strap to the AC ground buss.

Carl


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "yeamans115" <yeamans115@...> wrote:
>
> so when the ZERO is set why does this magically change when I start the program?
> I go to my zero and hit all the 3 axis zero buttons. push start and it quickly changes the green position and rapids to a crashing condition.
>
> there seems to be no rhyme or reason either. it just picks some new cord and runs with that.
>
> if I know where the machine is from the zero and type those cord in the "set" tabs this paces the zero right?
>
> I do nothing with machinecords (red numbers) just work cords (green cords)
>
> I have about 5 years of machining parts on my mills and the kmotion seems to be doing its own thing instead of just running the numbers given.
>
> matt
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8083 From: Vlad O Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Matt,
Some time problems is simpler then you think.

It is typical problem of grounding issue and could be a leakage inside the one or a few steppers, which is sitting on the machine frame and not properly grounded, or your power supply grounding issue, or like Carl suggest - ground connection to the earth.

It is nothing to do with KFlop or your 5 years of machining, just simple wiring, grounding, etc.

What part of the country you are?
Send pictures of your setup.

Happy KFlopping !
Vlad



On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM, yeamans115 <yeamans115@...> wrote:
 

so when the ZERO is set why does this magically change when I start the program?
I go to my zero and hit all the 3 axis zero buttons. push start and it quickly changes the green position and rapids to a crashing condition.

there seems to be no rhyme or reason either. it just picks some new cord and runs with that.

if I know where the machine is from the zero and type those cord in the "set" tabs this paces the zero right?

I do nothing with machinecords (red numbers) just work cords (green cords)

I have about 5 years of machining parts on my mills and the kmotion seems to be doing its own thing instead of just running the numbers given.

matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8084 From: TK Date: 8/10/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Hi Matt 

It could well be a software bug. When Cycle Start is pushed KMotionCNC reads the raw machine position from KFLOP, applies all current fixture, tool, and global offsets and syncs the Interpreter to that starting position.  If this doesn't work correctly it might cause what you describe. But I can't think of how or why it wouldn't work. 

It is hard to say for sure but I would expect noise to give a different error. 

What Version are you using?  Any clues on when it occurs?  Any special sequence of events?  Offset, Tool, or Fixture changes?  I assume it only happens occasionally?  I don't think you have encoders?  Any post mortem clues?

Regards

TK

On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:31 AM, Vlad O <cell.vlad@...> wrote:

 

Matt,
Some time problems is simpler then you think.

It is typical problem of grounding issue and could be a leakage inside the one or a few steppers, which is sitting on the machine frame and not properly grounded, or your power supply grounding issue, or like Carl suggest - ground connection to the earth.

It is nothing to do with KFlop or your 5 years of machining, just simple wiring, grounding, etc.

What part of the country you are?
Send pictures of your setup.

Happy KFlopping !
Vlad



On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM, yeamans115 <yeamans115@...> wrote:
 

so when the ZERO is set why does this magically change when I start the program?
I go to my zero and hit all the 3 axis zero buttons. push start and it quickly changes the green position and rapids to a crashing condition.

there seems to be no rhyme or reason either. it just picks some new cord and runs with that.

if I know where the machine is from the zero and type those cord in the "set" tabs this paces the zero right?

I do nothing with machinecords (red numbers) just work cords (green cords)

I have about 5 years of machining parts on my mills and the kmotion seems to be doing its own thing instead of just running the numbers given.

matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8086 From: morgtod Date: 8/11/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Matt,
You are probably either calling or clearing fixture offsets at the beginning of your programs. This WILL cause a crash.
Todd

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, TK <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt
>
> It could well be a software bug. When Cycle Start is pushed KMotionCNC reads the raw machine position from KFLOP, applies all current fixture, tool, and global offsets and syncs the Interpreter to that starting position. If this doesn't work correctly it might cause what you describe. But I can't think of how or why it wouldn't work.
>
> It is hard to say for sure but I would expect noise to give a different error.
>
> What Version are you using? Any clues on when it occurs? Any special sequence of events? Offset, Tool, or Fixture changes? I assume it only happens occasionally? I don't think you have encoders? Any post mortem clues?
>
> Regards
>
> TK
>
> On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:31 AM, Vlad O <cell.vlad@...> wrote:
>
> > Matt,
> > Some time problems is simpler then you think.
> >
> > It is typical problem of grounding issue and could be a leakage inside the one or a few steppers, which is sitting on the machine frame and not properly grounded, or your power supply grounding issue, or like Carl suggest - ground connection to the earth.
> >
> > It is nothing to do with KFlop or your 5 years of machining, just simple wiring, grounding, etc.
> >
> > What part of the country you are?
> > Send pictures of your setup.
> >
> > Happy KFlopping !
> > Vlad
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM, yeamans115 <yeamans115@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> so when the ZERO is set why does this magically change when I start the program?
> >> I go to my zero and hit all the 3 axis zero buttons. push start and it quickly changes the green position and rapids to a crashing condition.
> >>
> >> there seems to be no rhyme or reason either. it just picks some new cord and runs with that.
> >>
> >> if I know where the machine is from the zero and type those cord in the "set" tabs this paces the zero right?
> >>
> >> I do nothing with machinecords (red numbers) just work cords (green cords)
> >>
> >> I have about 5 years of machining parts on my mills and the kmotion seems to be doing its own thing instead of just running the numbers given.
> >>
> >> matt
> >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8142 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
well, it ate up some parts again.
I uploaded my c code here....
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/files/shizuoka%20cnc/

maybe there is something crazy my dad put in it?

I am running kmotion 43I
mill uses servos motors with gecko drives.

I noticed the servos tick in the middle of the pause after hitting cycle start. kind of like it disables and then re-enables real quick.

the pause after hitting cycle start is the worst feeling ever! it does this once every time you load a g code. after the one time be it a crash or it runs clean there are no more issues.

while crashing this time I hit the Estop button and it did nothing so I hit the stop tab on the kmotion? 2nd worst feeling is the estop not functioning.

I think I am going to start installing some mechanical switch's to make this a safer controller to use.
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8143 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Matt,
You are probably either calling or clearing fixture offsets at the beginning
of your programs. This WILL cause a crash.
Todd

this would make the machine crash every time the g code is run though right?
matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8144 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Hi Matt,

Not necessarily.  It depends on your overall sequence of events which you are not telling us.  For example if you are assuming there are no fixture offsets (but there currently is maybe due to a previous Job), and then you Zero the stock with the G92 (Zero Button), then if your GCode clears the fixture offset then there will be a huge shift and a crash.  But next time now that the Fixture offset has been cleared it will work ok.

You didn't answer my previous questions.

I guess you miss-typed the Version number.  I assume you meant V4.31i.

You missed uploading one of your C files used called shiz.c

Could you upload your G Code?

What are your Tool Setup | Trajectory Planner Settings?

I'm hard pressed to think of a reason why there would be a delay after loading a file the first time and not the second time like you said in a different Thread.  I'm not denying it - just can think of why.   In both cases it really just runs the file from disk.  Can you give some more clues to help us?  Does the PC completely freeze?  Or does the GCode cursor advance during the delay?  Is everything else (other buttons and such) responsive after loading the file?  Does the size of the G Code file matter?  Is it related to the complexity of the GCode toward the beginning of the file?  (ie many short vectors?)

Sorry for all the questions but we need as much info as possible to narrow down where the problem might be.

Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 8145 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Hi Matt,

Not necessarily.  It depends on your overall sequence of events which you are not telling us.  For example if you are assuming there are no fixture offsets (but there currently is maybe due to a previous Job), and then you Zero the stock with the G92 (Zero Button), then if your GCode clears the fixture offset then there will be a huge shift and a crash.  But next time now that the Fixture offset has been cleared it will work ok.

You didn't answer my previous questions.

I guess you miss-typed the Version number.  I assume you meant V4.31i.

You missed uploading one of your C files used called shiz.c

Could you upload your G Code?

What are your Tool Setup | Trajectory Planner Settings?

I'm hard pressed to think of a reason why there would be a delay after loading a file the first time and not the second time like you said in a different Thread.  I'm not denying it - just can think of why.   In both cases it really just runs the file from disk.  Can you give some more clues to help us?  Does the PC completely freeze?  Or does the GCode cursor advance during the delay?  Is everything else (other buttons and such) responsive after loading the file?  Does the size of the G Code file matter?  Is it related to the complexity of the GCode toward the beginning of the file?  (ie many short vectors?)

Sorry for all the questions but we need as much info as possible to narrow down where the problem might be.

Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 8149 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/23/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
I will get you some answers...

I don't use any offsets. well, none that I know of. I have 1 zero in the vice and that is all I machine off of.

yes = V4.31i

pc seems to be real stable. there was a tiem that kmotion seemded to stop responding but now it is good.

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Not necessarily.  It depends on your overall sequence of events which you are not telling us.  For example if you are assuming there are no fixture offsets (but there currently is maybe due to a previous Job), and then you Zero the stock with the G92 (Zero Button), then if your GCode clears the fixture offset then there will be a huge shift and a crash.  But next time now that the Fixture offset has been cleared it will work ok.
>
> You didn't answer my previous questions.
>
> I guess you miss-typed the Version number.  I assume you meant V4.31i.
>
> You missed uploading one of your C files used called shiz.c
>
> Could you upload your G Code?
>
> What are your Tool Setup | Trajectory Planner Settings?
>
>
> I'm hard pressed to think of a reason why there would be a delay after loading a file the first time and not the second time like you said in a different Thread.  I'm not denying it - just can think of why.   In both cases it really just runs the file from disk.  Can you give some more clues to help us?  Does the PC completely freeze?  Or does the GCode cursor advance during the delay?  Is everything else (other buttons and such) responsive after loading the file?  Does the size of the G Code file matter?  Is it related to the complexity of the GCode toward the beginning of the file?  (ie many short vectors?)
>
> Sorry for all the questions but we need as much info as possible to narrow down where the problem might be.
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: yeamans115 <yeamans115@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:39 AM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
>
>
>
>  
> Matt,
> You are probably either calling or clearing fixture offsets at the beginning
> of your programs. This WILL cause a crash.
> Todd
>
> this would make the machine crash every time the g code is run though right?
> matt
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8167 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
ok, here is some hard data for the morning almost crash

just doing some simples engraving

1 zero the 3 axis right where I want it
both machine and part zero the same
2 simulate the run so I know it is all good.
3 cycle start
4 scary long pause and then the zero magically rezero's itself to the last line of the g code! lol

what the hell does that? lol

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g04p4
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N323X0.0637Y-0.2746
N324X0.0811Y-0.2817
N325X0.1044Y-0.2792
N326G00Z0.2s0m05
N327X1.0Y1.5Z0.5
N329M30
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maybe my post processor is putting in some junk stuff?
thanks matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8171 From: tmday7 Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!

Dont know if this already been answered but here is some things i see with your Gcode.

Your first line or starting block of Gcode program, ..... N5G00G20G17G90G40G49G80 does not need a G00. And i prefer a starting block to look like this...
G17  (set xy plane)
G90  (absolute mode)
G40  (cancel cutter radius comp)
G49  (cancel tool len offset)
G80  (cancel canned cycle)

G91.1 (IJ relative arcs)
G20  (inch mode)


Line...N7G49 is redundant as you already cancelled Tool length Offset at first line of code. 

Your pause at beginning is from this line of code at start of Gcode....

g04p4


Line.....N9G00G43Z0.5H1 , needs the G00 removed.

Line.....G94 should be before tool change.

Line....N326G00Z0.2s0m05, needs the s0m05 placed after line N326 with out the s0 command. M05 turns off spindle, so no need to tell spindle to spin 0 rpms.


At line....N12X0.4874Y0.4846Z0.1 add a G00 for rapid move


Clean up code and see what happens. :)


Troy

 



--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, <yeamans115@...> wrote:

ok, here is some hard data for the morning almost crash

just doing some simples engraving

1 zero the 3 axis right where I want it
both machine and part zero the same
2 simulate the run so I know it is all good.
3 cycle start
4 scary long pause and then the zero magically rezero's itself to the last line of the g code! lol

what the hell does that? lol

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N6m03s3800
g04p4
N7G49
N8T1M06 ( End Mill )
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N206X0.2211Y-0.2489
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N208X0.2421Y-0.2149
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N210X0.2232Y-0.1793
N211X0.2876Y-0.1915
N212X0.2876Y-0.2497
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N216X0.2787Y-0.3394
N217X0.2878Y-0.3124
N218X0.2839Y-0.2947
N219X0.274Y-0.2838
N220X0.2472Y-0.2746
N221X0.2168Y-0.2734
N222X0.196Y-0.2745
N223X0.1775Y-0.282
N224X0.1673Y-0.294
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N226X0.1731Y-0.3381
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N228X0.2274Y-0.3393
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N232X0.2069Y-0.2758
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N234G00Z0.01
N235X0.125Y0.2907
N236G01Z-0.005
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N247X0.1057Y0.0982
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N275X0.0662Y0.0187
N276X0.0277Y0.0605
N277X0.0118Y0.0761
N278X0.0Y0.0805
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N280G00Z0.01
N281X-0.0011Y-0.0103
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N284G00Z0.01
N285X0.124Y-0.0159
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N325X0.1044Y-0.2792
N326G00Z0.2s0m05
N327X1.0Y1.5Z0.5
N329M30
%



maybe my post processor is putting in some junk stuff?
thanks matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8172 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
the kmotion is what pauses, I have other gcode that do not have any pause to let the spindle get up to speed. they still have the scary pause at first run.
my gcodes with pause for spindle speed work like it should AFTER the scary kmotion pause.

dolphin cam does spit out some stupid stuff, I did not clean up the code before posting it....

anyways what would make the kmotion rezero the 3 axis on the first run to the last position in the code? if I catch it and rezero again it does not act abnormally.

this has no toolchanger being a knee mill

matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8173 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
picture of the trajectory planner

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/513/psb.png
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8174 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Hi Matt,

I think I was able to duplicate what you are seeing thanks for the info.  I don't understand it yet.  Please give me some time to look into it.

It seems to be related to jogging, then doing a simulate run, then a G0 with no destination specified.

Regards
TK



Group: DynoMotion Message: 8175 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/26/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEESSSS!!!!
I am not crazy
I saw 9 full seconds on the counter before the spindle turned on tonight.
matt
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8176 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
I got some of my post processor cleaned up and machine specific now.

I did up a simple circle to test the machine once I get back any input on the kmotion fix.

( Produced :- 10:40:03 Tuesday, August 27, 2013 )
( CNC File :- aa demo )
( Post Processor :- M_SHIZ )
( Tools Used :- )
N5G20G17G90G40G49G80
N6G00Z0.5H1
N7S1000M03
N8G04 P4.0
N9G94
N10X0.75Y0.0
N11Z0.05
N12G01Z-1.0F10.0
N13G03X0.0Y0.75I-0.75J0.0
N14X-0.75Y0.0I0.0J-0.75
N15X0.0Y-0.75I0.75J0.0
N16X0.75Y0.0I0.0J0.75
N17G00Z0.5
N18M30M05
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8178 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
Hi Matt,

Please see if the latest Test Version fixes the issue.  Problem was that a Simulation Run of a Job with a dwell sometimes inserted a dwell into the beginning of the next job.  If the inserted dwell was at a different machine coordinate from the current position then the DROs (and commanded position) snapped to that position during the dwell.    This bug was introduced in V4.31d when fully buffered dwells and rapids were introduced and the Simulation Run Button.

See:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/DynoMotion/message/8177

Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 8179 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
so I got the newest version loaded.
how do I get all my settings to load into the newer kmotion revision?
Group: DynoMotion Message: 8185 From: yeamans115 Date: 8/27/2013
Subject: Re: well, i am tired of crashing the machine and parts!
so far it seems good.
I have to machine some stuff in the morning so I will get some fresh new g codes a run through it.
thanks matt